{"id":68,"date":"2008-06-09T04:03:20","date_gmt":"2008-06-09T04:03:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/127.0.0.1\/wordpress63\/?p=68"},"modified":"2008-06-09T04:03:20","modified_gmt":"2008-06-09T04:03:20","slug":"all-tubes-are-equal","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/diyparadise.com\/w\/all-tubes-are-equal\/","title":{"rendered":"All tubes are equal"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>but some are more equal than others&#8230;<span style=\"font-size: 18pt; font-family: Simpson Normal,Comic Sans MS\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Simpson Normal,Comic Sans MS\"> <\/span><\/span><br \/>\n<!--more--><\/p>\n<h2 align=\"center\"><span>All tubes are equal <\/span><\/h2>\n<h2 align=\"center\"><span>but some are more equal than<br \/>\nothers<\/span><\/h2>\n<p>\n<span>Ah&#8230; tubes&#8230; how can you live without them?&#8230;<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>Alright, there are really thousands of circuits out there,<br \/>\neach one purportedly sounding excellent by its diehard advocates. While there is<br \/>\nno denying that there are lots of good stuffs out there, there&#8217;s also no denying<br \/>\nthere&#8217;s the extremely &quot;narrow&quot; choice of<br \/>\n&quot;audiophile-approved&quot; tubes. Very often, the usual suspects are&nbsp;<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>for driver stage:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 12AX7, 12AU7,<br \/>\n6SL7, 6SN7, EF86&#8230;<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>for PP output stage:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; EL84,<br \/>\nEL34&#8230;<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>for SE output stage:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2A3, 300B,<br \/>\n845, 211&#8230;<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>for rectifers:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 6X4, 5U4G, 5V3,<br \/>\n5AR4&#8230;<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>I have no problem here, but I have a lot of<br \/>\nproblems with the prices these NOS tubes command. A piece of NOS Telefunken\/Mullard\/Amperex,<br \/>\nsmooth\/black plate, blah blah blah&#8230; 12AX7\/12AU7 easily starts at USD50, not<br \/>\nexactly the price I&#8217;m willing to pay for, <b>no matter how many times audio nuts<br \/>\nswear how earth-shattering, how orgasmic these tubes are<\/b>. What the heck? I<br \/>\nonce saw a smooth plate NOS Telefunken 12AX7 being traded for USD400!!!!!<br \/>\nAlright, granted that these specimens might be the best of the bunch but why the<br \/>\nhell do they command such high prices?&nbsp;<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>An Economic student will tell you:&nbsp;<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <i>&quot;It&#8217;s a law of demand<br \/>\nand supply.&quot;<\/i><\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>Very true, but even truer when you can get sexy<br \/>\nItalian actress Monica Belucci to say,&nbsp; <\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <i>&quot;Itsa law of demanda<br \/>\nand supplya&quot;&nbsp;<\/i><\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>That&#8217;s right folks. Willing buyer, willing seller.<br \/>\n(Willing sucker, willing suckee.) If you think so-and-so specimen is so great after reading so many reviews, and<br \/>\nthere is a seller fixing your favourite tube at a price so expensive that<br \/>\n&quot;it got to be good&quot;, by all means, go for it! That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s a law of<br \/>\ndemander and supplier.&nbsp;<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>Alright, all fine here, but what leaves us DIYers?&nbsp;<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n&nbsp;\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<b><span>Stay away from them! Get away from mainstream!&nbsp;<\/span><\/b>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>We DIYers always have this advantage over non-DIYers:<br \/>\ncontrol. We are in control of our sound. We can change components, tweak<br \/>\ncircuits, and of course, change tubes. That&#8217;s right! Change tubes! Not just<br \/>\nchange from one make to another but a totally different type! DIYers rejoice!<br \/>\nIt&#8217;s time to be hip! <\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>There are lots of great tubes that can not only do<br \/>\nthe job, but can even do the job better! The list here isn&#8217;t exhaustive but it<br \/>\nshould get your grey cells working and stop looking down at tubes you are not so<br \/>\nfamiliar with. <\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>&nbsp;<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<h4><span>Driver tubes<\/span><\/h4>\n<p>\n<span><b>12B4<\/b> is one of those very linear tubes.<br \/>\nThis guy can operate really low from 90V up to even 500V! (some guys tried<br \/>\nhere!). Mu is only 6 but way low plate resistance of 1kohm makes good preamp<br \/>\nduties. Run them at higher current of 30+mA, and you can even use it as a power<br \/>\ntube! Yup, a simple 1W tube amp that even got one DIYer complaining, &quot;dang!<br \/>\nI can&#8217;t get my 300B to convey music as well as this guy!&quot; Guys who have<br \/>\nbuilt 12B4-based line-level preamps found it to have a very transparent sound.<br \/>\n&quot;It just amplifies, and does nothing else.&quot; Better still, 12B4A is<br \/>\nelectrically equivalent to 12B4 with the added advantage of a built-in slow<br \/>\nheater warm up. Hey! Even expensive Telefunkos don&#8217;t have this feature!<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>The <b><a href=\"http:\/\/diyparadise.com\/w\/nos.html\">5687<\/a><\/b> maybe isn&#8217;t so<br \/>\n&quot;non-mainstream&quot; as the rest. Audio Note uses it in their M7 preamp.<br \/>\nThe Ongaku has one as cathode follower. Mu is not high at ~18-20 but thanks to<br \/>\nits excellent linearity and low plate resistance (~2kohm), it has the making of<br \/>\na good preamp tube.<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>The <b><a href=\"http:\/\/diyparadise.com\/w\/nos.html\">5842<\/a><\/b> is as similar as can be with the<br \/>\nWestern Electric 417A. Hey, buddy, anything with a &quot;Western Electric&quot;<br \/>\nname on it isn&#8217;t cheap okay? (I bet you if WE did make toilet paper, it&#8217;ll cost<br \/>\na bomb too.) Capable of high current up to 30+mA, they make a VERY beefy driver.<br \/>\nActually, if ran with grid of 2V, 36mA through, you have a one-tube, one-stage<br \/>\n~1W tube amp!<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>The <b><a href=\"http:\/\/diyparadise.com\/w\/nos.html\">5965<\/a><\/b> is actually similar to 12AV7 but<br \/>\ncost a fraction of their 12AX7\/12AU7 siblings. Cheap and good, this is one of my<br \/>\nfavourite tubes and I have quite a number of them! Some Joes on Joelist found<br \/>\nthat they can be used in place of 12AT7\/12AU7, which really saves you truck loads<br \/>\nof $$! But beware, better check with your schematics first. Likewise, if you<br \/>\ndon&#8217;t need the gain of a 12AX7 (mu=100), they might even work in your amp. For<br \/>\nyour info, since this tube is dirt cheap, even a cheapskate like me has compiled<br \/>\nNOS samples of RCA, GE, Sylvania and Raytheon. Try this with a 300B!<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>The <b><a href=\"http:\/\/diyparadise.com\/w\/nos.html\">6C45Pi<\/a><\/b> seems to be the Russian<br \/>\nequivalent of the 5842. Specs are pretty similar but construction wise is night<br \/>\nand day! This tube has hefty plates. The plates are so thick that Yankee tubes<br \/>\nlook like anorexic waifs beside it.&nbsp; Look <a href=\"http:\/\/diyparadise.com\/w\/6c45.jpg\">here<\/a>.<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>Balanced Audio Technology made a big fuss a couple<br \/>\nof years ago saying that the <b>6H30P<\/b> is the &quot;perfect&quot; preamp<br \/>\ntube, saying that it has a plate resistance of only 200 ohms but it was later<br \/>\nfound out that BAT achieved an output impedance of 200 ohms only after<br \/>\nPARALLELING several stages of 6H30P. What bollocks! Nevertheless, it has a plate<br \/>\nresistance of ~1kohm and makes a pretty good driver.<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>The usage of Russian tubes has increased these<br \/>\ncouple of years and another good driver is the <b>6N1P<\/b> but the 6N1P doesn&#8217;t<br \/>\nbelong to only vodka-drinking Ruskies. Seems that they were made in China as<br \/>\nwell and military grades of the 6N1P is said to be &quot;very very good&quot;.<br \/>\nWith some circuit modifications you can replace the 6922\/6DJ8 with the 6N1P.&nbsp;Word<br \/>\nhas it that these 6N1P smoke the hell out of even premium Amperex 6DJ8s&#8230;<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>The <b>8532<\/b> first came to my knowledge as the<br \/>\ndriver in the original Darling amp. So far, haven&#8217;t heard any negatives being<br \/>\nsaid about this tube.&nbsp;With mu ~40s, if your circuit needs a lot of voltage<br \/>\nswing, you know which number to dial.<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>Alright, the JJ <b><a href=\"http:\/\/diyparadise.com\/w\/jj.html\">ECC99<\/a><\/b> isn&#8217;t NOS as it&#8217;s<br \/>\nstill in production. Nevertheless, it&#8217;s worth considering. Specs pretty similar<br \/>\nto 5687 BUT said to be 3 times less noisy. <\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n&nbsp;\n<\/p>\n<h4><span>Power&nbsp;tubes<\/span><\/h4>\n<p>\n<span>I can&#8217;t thank Bob &quot;Papa Darling&quot;<br \/>\nDanielak enough for discovering the excellent <b>1626<\/b>. Thanks to its<br \/>\navailability and low prices, it&#8217;s truly a &quot;poor man&#8217;s 300B&quot;. The only<br \/>\ncomplaint is its low power of only 0.7W. Read them all here at the <a href=\"http:\/\/diyparadise.com\/w\/Darling.html\">Darling<br \/>\nClub<\/a>. Please visit Papa Darling&#8217;s website from a link there. By the way, the<br \/>\nDarling Club, at time of writing, has members in the US, Canada, Germany,<br \/>\nNetherlands, Philippines and Malaysia!<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>Oh yeah! If you fancy shortest signal path, you<br \/>\ncan&#8217;t go wrong with a one-tube, one-stage 1W tube amp! Build the one-tube,<br \/>\none-stage <b>5842<\/b> or <b>6C45Pi<\/b> amp! You can&#8217;t go a shorter signal path<br \/>\nthen having this tube INSIDE your CD player. This way, all you need is just a CD<br \/>\nplayer with enough space to accomodate 2 tubes (for stereo), a few<br \/>\nresistors\/caps, a transformer for providing the appropriate B+\/filament juice<br \/>\nand you are done! Yes, use your CDP volume pot! See? No interconnect! Once you<br \/>\nbuild this, bring it to a friend&#8217;s place and surprise him with your &quot;mini<br \/>\ncompo&quot;.<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>The <b>6C33<\/b> is not mainstream yet but slowly<br \/>\nbecoming so. Lamm and Graaf has amps built around them. First discovered by the<br \/>\nWestern world in a Russian MiG! Yeah! This tube rocks! Built like a tank, it can<br \/>\ngive you 15W of SE power, enabling it to drive LOTS of speakers. A DIY friend<br \/>\nonce had his coupling cap shorted, so full B+ was on the grid but the tube<br \/>\nsurvives! Just goes to show how durable these tubes are. However, there&#8217;s 2<br \/>\nfactors against them. Extremely current hungry filament (6A!) and terrible input<br \/>\ncapacitance. The latter can be solved by using a beefy driver or a cathode<br \/>\nfollower but the former requires a chassis with very very good ventilation.<br \/>\nOtherwise, fried eggs anyone?<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>And then there is the rest of the bunch, more<br \/>\nobscure ones like 813 etc of which a visit to the excellent Joe&#8217;s list is a<br \/>\nnecessity for the adventurous DIYer&#8230;<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>&nbsp;<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<h4><span>Rectifier tubes<\/span><\/h4>\n<p>\n<span>I first learned about TV damper diodes after<br \/>\nreading Lynn Olson&#8217;s work on his Aloha Audio website. (Lots of good stuffs<br \/>\nthere!) Lynn Olson is a fan of TV damper diodes and according to him, they (the<br \/>\ntubes, not Lynn) give the lowest switching noise of any rectifier ever made, be<br \/>\nthey sand rectifiers, or tube rectifiers like 5U4G etc. Ever. Better still, they<br \/>\nare relatively cheap and comes with impeccable specs! The <b>6CK3\/6CL3<\/b> can<br \/>\ndo almost 1000VDC and up to plate current of 250mA! Serious stuff! The <b>6CG3<\/b><br \/>\ncan even go up to 350mA DC! There you 6C33 fans can even use this in your amp.<br \/>\nMy main gripe with them is that they need lots of filament juice. The 6CK3\/6CL3<br \/>\nneeds 1.2A while the 6CG3 needs 1.8A. Not a big deal but it is when you realize<br \/>\nthat you need TWO of them for full wave rectification.<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>Surely this isn&#8217;t problem for a DIYer right?<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>Oh yeah, the only TV damper diode still in<br \/>\nproduction these days is Svetlana&#8217;s <b>6D22S<\/b>. See? DIYers have CHOICES.<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>&nbsp;<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<h2><span>Another alternative<\/span><\/h2>\n<p>\n<span>What if you JUST have to use 6SL7? Still, there is<br \/>\nan alternative. Use 12SL7. 12SL7 is equivalent electrically to 6SL7 EXCEPT that<br \/>\nit uses a 12.6V filament while 6SL7 uses 6.3V. So, get the 12SL7 and use a<br \/>\ntransformer that has this 12.6V filament rather than 6.3V. Remember you are now<br \/>\nunable to use 6SL7 in your amp anymore but this is a small price to pay! Pun<br \/>\nmore than heavily intended! However, you can easily implement a switch like what<br \/>\nsome DIYers do to go from 6V heating to 12V heating. This way, your amp will be<br \/>\nable to cater for both the 6V and 12V versions of your favourite tube.<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>As these are at much lower prices than their more<br \/>\npopular &quot;audiophile approved&quot; brethrens, pick them up while you still<br \/>\ncan! Remember, one day when all NOS 6SL7 is no longer available, people will<br \/>\nturn towards the 12SL7!<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>Suffice to say, there are quite a number of tubes<br \/>\nthat have electrically equivalent versions but with different filaments. Visit <a href=\"http:\/\/www.duncanamps.com\">Duncan<br \/>\nAmp<\/a> to download the excellent Tube Data Sheet Locator (TDSL) and try to find<br \/>\nyour favourite equivalents! You will realize how the hell you lived without this<br \/>\ngreat tool all this while.<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>For non-DIYers, you have a choice here as well.<br \/>\nGet someone to fit in a separate filament transformer (provided there is enough<br \/>\nspace in your amp chassis) that can give you the appropriate filament voltage,<br \/>\nrewire a little and you are done.<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>&nbsp;That&#8217;s all, folks! Just a little ditty to<br \/>\nshow you what DIY can bring you. CHOICES. Better stop here, it&#8217;s time to go back<br \/>\nto my seductive-and-wallet-friendly tubes&#8230;<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<span>*<i>In the great George Orwell classic, &quot;Animal<br \/>\nFarm&quot;, after the farm animals ousted the farmer from their land, they had<br \/>\nthe famous decree, &quot;all animals are equal&quot;. However, after the pigs,<br \/>\nleaders of the farm animals, began to exert their influence, the decree then had<br \/>\nan extra line &quot;but some animals are more equal than others&quot;. 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