{"id":85,"date":"2008-06-09T07:58:50","date_gmt":"2008-06-09T07:58:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/127.0.0.1\/wordpress63\/?p=85"},"modified":"2013-03-27T23:25:23","modified_gmt":"2013-03-27T15:25:23","slug":"experimenter-1626","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/diyparadise.com\/w\/experimenter-1626\/","title":{"rendered":"Experimenter 1626"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<h2><span>Experimenter 1626\u00a0<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span>The inspiration came from Matthew Reidsma&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/diyparadise.com\/web\/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=51&amp;Itemid=26\" target=\"_self\">Experimenter<br \/>\n45<\/a>.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>Now here comes my part.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>I want to do the same as Matthew, using the 1626<br \/>\nin the same configuration. However, there were a few problems.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">Of all the best laid plans of men and<br \/>\nmice&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>Initial plan was to discard the 5842 and use a<br \/>\n5965 in its place. I built a 5965-1626\u00a0 Darling before. Read the <a href=\"http:\/\/diyparadise.com\/web\/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=82&amp;Itemid=32\" target=\"_self\">Darling<br \/>\nClub<\/a> page. The 5965 has too high a plate resistance here (6-7kohm), so was<br \/>\ndiscarded. Then an idea came to use the lot of 5687s which I have acquired quite<br \/>\na number of. Too bad their mu of 18 isn&#8217;t high enough. Unless, of course, I use<br \/>\na preamp. Never mind&#8230; So, back to the 5842.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>And then, I realize I can&#8217;t bias the 1626 at -45V.<br \/>\nI want to bias it at -25V ala the original Darling. After all, it sounds so<br \/>\nsweet at that point, so why tinker a winning formula?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>If I bias it at -25V, that means I have only 25V<br \/>\ndrop across the 5842 plate resistor.\u00a0 Now here lies the problem. I can&#8217;t<br \/>\nuse the 4.7kohm resistor if I want to use the 10mA through the 5842. I have to<br \/>\ngo down to the region of ~2kohm. Not a good idea as you want to load the 5842<br \/>\nplate at least twice the plate resistance of 1-2kohm. I can still use the<br \/>\n4.7kohm if I let 5mA flow through the 5842. It&#8217;ll work but the 5842 prefers<br \/>\nhigher current! As you can see, I&#8217;m stuck here, more current, not enough plate<br \/>\nresistance; enough plate resistance, not enough current&#8230; Oh my&#8230;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">Help!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>I wrote to Matthew and one of his recommendations<br \/>\nwas to use a 6922 or 6DJ8. Looking at the tube data, it could actually work at<br \/>\n5mA\/4.7k but I don&#8217;t want to spend more $$ on tubes. Hmm&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>One day, while discussing my predicament with tube<br \/>\nbuddy YH, he said &#8220;why not use a current source?&#8221;\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span> That&#8217;s right! This<br \/>\nwill solve all my problems. The current source will provide an AC impedance of<br \/>\ntens of kilo ohms and I can use a variable resistor to find the correct<br \/>\nresistance to drop off the desired 25V. So this should replace the 4.7k.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/diyparadise.com\/w\/wp-content\/uploads\/images\/stories\/cs_r.gif\" width=\"181\" height=\"49\" border=\"0\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span>Cool&#8230; Now what? I could use the C4S or some<br \/>\nother constant current source but purists might balk at seeing silicon in the<br \/>\ncircuit. What? Listen to sand?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">Let the hemoglobin flow!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>Okay, okay&#8230; more thinking and then it dawned on<br \/>\nme that a choke is the answer! Yes, iron!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>\u00a0[By now you should realize how dumb I<br \/>\nhave been. All the stuff presented here has been done by others before me. They<br \/>\nhave evolved beyond homo sapiens and I&#8217;m still Neanderthal&#8230;]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>I looked through the Hammond catalog and was<br \/>\ngrinning ear to ear when I saw the specs of the 154E.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<table border=\"1\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"left\"><span>Part\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<td align=\"left\"><span>Inductance<\/span><\/td>\n<td align=\"left\"><span>DCR<\/span><\/td>\n<td align=\"left\"><span>DC current<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"left\"><span>154E<\/span><\/td>\n<td align=\"left\"><span>20H<\/span><\/td>\n<td align=\"left\"><span>1666 ohms<\/span><\/td>\n<td align=\"left\"><span>40mA<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p><span>Do you see that? If I run the 5842 at 15mA, then<br \/>\n15mA*1666ohms is&#8230; 25V! Yes! That&#8217;s all to it! The choke drops the desired 25V<br \/>\nwhile still presenting a high impedance to the 5842.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>At 20Hz, Z = 2*pi*f*L + DCR = 2*3.14*20*20 + 1666<br \/>\n= 4178 ohms<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>Good enough right?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>*Note that you need to use a 1.3-1.5V battery to<br \/>\nget the 15mA.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/diyparadise.com\/w\/wp-content\/uploads\/images\/stories\/exp_1626.gif\" width=\"697\" height=\"402\" border=\"0\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span>The Hammond 125E output transformer should be 5.6k or higher. You can take this further by replacing the input<br \/>\n100kohm resistor with an input transformer and you now have a &#8220;No R, No C<br \/>\namp&#8221;!\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">Alternatives<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>Okay, now that the above is done, what else can we<br \/>\ndo?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>Perhaps I want to present a higher plate impedance<br \/>\nto the 5842. I could use the Hammond 157G which is 30H and has a DCR of 595<br \/>\nohms. I will need a resistance of 1kohm in series to reach that magic number of<br \/>\n25 again. Better still, I can bias the 5842 at different currents and place a<br \/>\nsuitable resistor there.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>Or perhaps I want to parafeed the output? Use a<br \/>\nHammond 157G as plate choke?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/diyparadise.com\/w\/wp-content\/uploads\/images\/stories\/parafeed.gif\" width=\"245\" height=\"339\" border=\"0\" \/>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>*Handmade Electronics has some hefty chokes with<br \/>\n60H inductance. You can definitely use them in place of the Hammond 157G. Or any<br \/>\nchoke for the matter, as long as it could withstand 25mA of DC current through<br \/>\nit.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>I haven&#8217;t (and don&#8217;t know how) calculated the<br \/>\ncapacitor value there but I guess a 5uF will work.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>There you have it! Experimental 1626 or<br \/>\nExperimental Darling!\u00a0 Simple right?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">Now how does it sound?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>I&#8217;m embarrassed to say that I haven&#8217;t built this<br \/>\namp yet. *blush*blush* I have almost everything here except those Hammond chokes. Shipping<br \/>\nfrom US is too expensive for the chokes. \ud83d\ude41<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>*Please note that all iron above were chosen for<br \/>\ncost factor ONLY. 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